Zimmerman Killed Trayvon in 'Self-Defense' Blacks Use Race Card & Mob Rule.

[Rawvo]

All this BS in my state about repealing gun laws and arresting and charging a white man because of a shooting incident. Whats really interesting is how the media is twisting facts on this incident as if it were about a very young boy walking down a sidewalk with only "skittles" in his pocket being shot by a racist white man that police let go because he was white. First the pictures of a very young innocent looking Trayvon are not of a 17year old Trayvon. Second Trayvon was beating the crap out of Zimmerman which police officers saw Zimmerman bloody face and bloody injuries to the back of head along with scuffed up cloths. Zimmerman along with other 911 caller were also in contact with police at the time of physical altercations as they heard screams for help before shot was fired which many want to say it was Trayvon begging for his life before he was shot but in my opinion I never seen a someone stick around to scream for help from someone who is pointing a weapon at them. This whole incident is progressing into a racial mob rule mentality with the potential of turning violent if some of the so called political hacks dont tone down the racial rhetoric nonsense and let the rule of law take its course.

The biggest crimes against blacks that I see are black shooting blacks which no one cares to talk about along with black race crimes against whites. Maybe this was a Black race crime against Zimmerman which Trayvon was not aware of his carry on weapon as he was beating Zimmerman? What ever the case is I hope we dont see vandalism or violence take hold as an excuse for uneducated mobs to steel and loot or hurt others. My gun rights protect me and many others so I hope they dont try to politicize this into a gun control issue to satisfy mob rule.

George Zimmerman Killed Trayvon Martin in 'Self-Defense,' Claims Sanford Police


SANFORD -- They heard the desperate wail of a child, a gunshot, and then silence.

Trayvon Martin, 17, died Feb. 26 in a dark pathway some 20 minutes after a neighborhood watch volunteer called police saying he thought a young stranger looked suspicious. It was raining, and the volunteer thought the kid in the hoodie walked too slow and peeked in windows.

Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a despondent boy, and believe the sequence of sounds shatters the notion that Trayvon was killed in self-defense.

Police have not moved from their official statement of the shooting. But as the controversy grows, so does the number of voices disputing the official version that watch captain George Zimmerman gave to police: that the six-foot, three-inch, 140-pound teen assaulted him when Zimmerman, 28, tried to question him. In fear for his life, he pulled Kel Tek 9mm handgun from his waistband and shot.

From Facebook to Twitter and online petitions, local police and prosecutors are getting tens of thousands of demands for criminal charges as the national media shines a spotlight on a small, racially diverse central Florida town with a history of police tension. There are now more and more calls for the U.S. Department of Justice to intervene and try to answer: What really happened to Trayvon Martin?

“I heard someone crying — not boo-hoo crying, but scared or terrified or hurt maybe,” said Mary Cutcher, 31, who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome community where the shooting occurred. “To me, it was a child.”

Zimmerman said he tailed Trayvon in a mission to find out if the teen was up to no good. Zimmerman was out to put a stop to recent burglaries. He dialed police — his 46th call since 2001 to report shady people, reckless drivers and other disturbances around his neighborhood.

He offered to follow his suspect, but the dispatcher told him: “We don’t need you to do that.”

Some minutes later, Trayvon was killed with a gun the watch volunteer was licensed to carry.

“This was not self-defense,” Cutcher said. “We heard no fighting, no wrestling, no punching. We heard a boy crying. As soon as the shot went off, it stopped, which tells me it was the child crying. If it had been Zimmerman crying, it wouldn’t have stopped. If you’re hurting, you’re hurting.”

She and her friend say they heard the sounds from a few steps away, where they were inside beside an open window. Seconds later, they dashed out to find a boy face down on the ground and a man standing over him, a foot on each side of the body on the ground, with his hands pinning the shooting victim down.

“I asked him, ‘What’s happening here? What’s going on?’ ” said Cutcher’s friend, Selma Mora Lamilla. “The third time, I was indignant, and he said, ‘just call the police.’ Then I saw him with his hands over his head in the universal sign of: ‘Oh man, I messed up.’ ”

The women, who were the first on the scene, said they saw Zimmerman pacing back and forth.

“I know what I heard. I heard a cry and a shot,” Mora said. “If there was a fight, it did not happen here where the boy was shot. I would have heard it, as this all happened right outside my open window.”

The women think there may well have been a physical altercation between the two, but it must have taken place in a different spot, where Zimmerman perhaps had a chance to compose himself and draw his weapon.

Cutcher was one of eight or nine 911 callers that night but she said investigators dismissed her, and a detective failed to follow up with her. Both women said police seemed very blasé.

“Mr. Zimmerman’s claim is that the confrontation was initiated by Trayvon,” Police Chief Bill Lee said in an interview. “I am not going into specifics of what led to the violent physical encounter witnessed by residents. All the physical evidence and testimony we have independent of what Mr. Zimmerman provides corroborates this claim to self-defense.”

To claim self-defense, someone has to show there was danger of great bodily harm or death, Lee said. “Zimmerman had injuries consistent with his story,” Lee said.

Zimmerman had a damp shirt, grass stains, a bloody nose and was bleeding from a wound in back of his head, according to police reports.

“If someone asks you, ‘Hey do you live here?’ is it OK for you to jump on them and beat the crap out of somebody?” Lee said. “It’s not.”

A neighborhood eighth-grader out walking his dog said his family also called 911.

“I saw someone lying on the ground, and I heard screaming,” said Austin, 13, whose mother asked that his last name not be published. “I don’t know that it was the person on the [ground] who was screaming, but to me it sounded like a kid who was crying. It was a yell for help, and I think it was Trayvon.”

Austin wasn’t sure if the person was in a fight or had slipped and gotten hurt. Austin’s boxer puppy got off the leash so the boy went chasing after the dog and lost sight of the scene for a moment. Then, he heard a gun go off.

He ran home and told his sister to call the police.

The boy, who is black, has been rattled ever since. He feels angry and disconcerted, and wonders whether he’s at risk too.

“That people can stereotype like that makes you scared,” he said.

Austin’s mom said he’s been acting out in school and seems mad all the time.

“My son has a terrible feeling of guilt, because he did not do anything to help. He’s angry,” said Austin’s mother, Cheryl Brown. “They are saying that Trayvon looked suspicious, because he was walking slow. So I guess I have to tell my son: make sure you always run fast.”

Lee released a statement Thursday disputing Cutcher’s account, saying it differed from what she originally told police, which she angrily denies.

Cutcher originally gave police a statement that matched Zimmerman’s account, said police spokesman Sgt. David Morgenstern.

Sanford’s Police Chief Lee is “asking the public and the media to give the system the opportunity to work, in the interest of safety of the community,” Morgenstern said.

Zimmerman, whose whereabouts are unknown, was not charged, and the case is now under review by the Brevard Seminole state attorney’s office. Local and national black leaders have rallied around the incident as the latest example of a double standard of justice in what they consider a case of racial profiling.

On Thursday, Zimmerman’s father hand-delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel, disputing widely repeated version of events, saying his Spanish-speaking son is not a racist.

“The media reports of the events are imaginary at best. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin,” Robert Zimmerman wrote. “When the true details of the event become public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.”

A rally is planned for the Sanford City Council meeting March 26. Leaders are asking people to show up carrying Skittles, the candy Trayvon carried in his pocket when he died.

The witnesses say they are coming forward now because they were shocked when no arrest was made.

“They are protecting Zimmerman for some reason,” Trayvon’s mother Sybrina Fulton said in Miami. “They are protecting him and we feel that Trayvon is the victim.”

Lee said the matter needs to be taken to a grand jury as soon as possible.

“If the roles were reversed, our investigation would be exactly the same,” he said.

“Our investigation is color blind and based on the facts and circumstances, not color. I know I can say that until I am blue in the face, but as a white man in a uniform, I know it doesn’t mean anything to anybody.”

[inconu]

Thanks for the update. Somehow I had a feeling that the MSM wasn't giving us the whole story. Not surprising of course.

[Rawvo]

Originally Posted by inconu

Thanks for the update. Somehow I had a feeling that the MSM wasn't giving us the whole story. Not surprising of course.

They seem to be out to lynch this guy because he used his right to self defense. I'm thinking this guy Trayvon Martin may have been on some heavy drugs and was not thinking clearly when he attacked the other guy for no real logical reason. The parents look like very nice caring people but sometimes young adults screw up and never get a second chance but who knows I could be wrong without all detailed facts. Lets see if this is the spark that starts civil unrest in America if the shooter Zimmerman is not arrested or found guilty.

[spademan]

One other very important fact:

Zimmerman is A HISPANIC! Not a white guy!

This error in reporting also adds fuel to the mob. I wasn't there, so I am not sure exactly what went down.
If the 17 year old did weigh only 140 lbs. and did not have a physical weapon in his possesion, then it appears on its face, that deadly force was not necessary.
Also, from the fact the Zimmerman has called in reports to police over 40 times since 2001, sounds like he is a cop wannabe with imaginery authority issues.
However, this is no excuse to fill the streets with a mob rule mentality. Another result of the Great Society experiment unleashed by LBJ!

You would think the average person would know the police have to be allowed time to investigate? Let alone these opportunistic pigs that call themselves "the black leaders".
If the shoe was on the other foot, they would be saying,"Lets not rush to judgement, the authorities must have the proper time to complete their investigation."

[phil]

Do you have a link to a very "Zimmerman friendly" story? I'd like to hear his side of it.

I don't expect anarchy to come from this. But I sure hope the cops did a thorough investigation; this is a homicide and shoud have been treated as such. If they did a slipshod job, they're going to be sorry.

[DieselBurps]

Originally Posted by phil

this is a homicide...

You are behaving "stupidly" here by rushing to judgement. You should wait until the investigation is complete before trying to convict.

This investigation shouldn't be too tough. Zimmerman appeared a little battered. Simply scrape Martin's knuckles and look for some Zimmerman DNA. If the bruises match the knuckle print and there's physical evidence of a conflict, the possibility of self defense being a golden defense goes up. On the other hand, if there's no evidence that Martin physically assaulted Zimmerman - the self-defense argument really doesn't work out well for him.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch... Not too far from Orlando - in a town called Lakeland, another crime was being committed. Little Corey Lee Sutton was beating and raping a woman. She was choked until she was unconcious, beaten to the point of facial bones being broken , raped - and robbed. A few interesting differences between these stories:
1. The racial makeup of the victim, (a hotel employee) that was raped was not identified.
2. The minor charged was photographed and his identity made public.
3. Al Sharpton did not march in Lakeland in support of the victim and to protest the violence .
4. The press really isn't focusing much on this case.
5. It is a pity that Sutton wasn't fatally shot during the criminal act.

Note that Sutton is a "14 year old child" that was out and about at 11:10 PM on a school night. Where the hell were his parents? They should be sharing his cell.

[Rawvo]

Originally Posted by phil

Do you have a link to a very "Zimmerman friendly" story? I'd like to hear his side of it.

The only friendly talk of Zimmermen I found so far... The guy is in hiding for his life from lynch mob threats so I dont think he wants to be talking much to anyone but his lawyer now.

According to the Post:

"In Manassas, [Va.] where Zimmerman lived in the 1980s and 1990s with his parents and two siblings, neighbors tended to define the family based on their spiritual profile. 'Very Catholic . . . very religious,' their neighbor Jim Rudzenski recalled Thursday. The children attended All Saints Catholic School on Stonewall Road through the eighth grade before going to Osbourn High School. George became an altar server and evening receptionist at All Saints Catholic Church. The Zimmermans 'were known and respected in the community for their dedication and service,' said Robert Cilinski, pastor of All Saints Catholic Church. ...

"Zimmerman's life was not without difficulties. In 2001 — when he was 17 or 18 — he was the victim of a minor criminal assault, said Manassas police Sgt. Eddie Rivera. The city's computer records do not provide details of the crime.

"In school, Zimmerman hinted at ambitions in the business world. He joined a Future Business Leaders of America club. And in his senior yearbook, he wrote: 'I'm going to Florida to work with my godfather who just bought a $1 million business.' ...

"In Florida, Zimmerman ... [had] hopes of becoming a law enforcement officer. He became the self-appointed protector of the streets around his home, although his neighborhood watch organization was not officially registered."

[Rawvo]

Originally Posted by spademan

One other very important fact:

Zimmerman is A HISPANIC! Not a white guy!

This error in reporting also adds fuel to the mob. I wasn't there, so I am not sure exactly what went down.
If the 17 year old did weigh only 140 lbs. and did not have a physical weapon in his possesion, then it appears on its face, that deadly force was not necessary.

"Trayvon was 6-foot-3, 140 pounds, a former Optimist League football player. "Trayvon had nonviolent behavioral issues in school, and on the day he was killed, he had been suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade. 'He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn't a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],' [his father] said, declining to offer more details.... I would say 6-foot-3 would look very intimidating in the dark of night.
I would really like to see what Trayvon looks like today and not this baby boy photo they keep showing everywhere making the story feel like a child was murdered by 5 foot Zimmerman. Something is wrong about the reporting of this story that they have left many details out and they have not shown any recent picture of this tall 140 pounds Trayvon?